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lvlickey Posted - 09/09/2010 : 14:30:35
Hi Guys

I need to ask about a couple of the rules that CPL play by and how the games should be run. Firstly when the tournament gets to the bubble for final table should the tables be playing hand for hand. I know in casinos and online that is what they do but I haven't been to a CPL tournament where they do this and I'd like it clarified please. Also is it up to the TD to decide if there is a dealer or not or for the players to decide if they want to deal for themselves or have a dealer especially on the final table. I've actually been to some matches where the TD deals the final table if they're not playing and actually looks at the mucked cards. This is totally wrong because it gives him an insight into how other people play.

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CPLvicar Posted - 10/09/2010 : 10:05:15
lvlickey, what I meant is that it is normally the players decision. Technically the venue is paying the bill and therefore their decision stands, but if it doesn't make the players happy then what is the point? Surely this would lose them players and thus revenue?

As for penalties etc we ban players from the league if they are caught actively cheating, but as looking at mucked cards when you are not in the game is not as clear cut as, say, nicking chips or having a card up your sleeve, then my advice would be to ask him politely to stop doing that, then complain to the pub manager if he continues.

Obviously that won't work very well if he is the pub manager.

lvlickey Posted - 10/09/2010 : 04:11:24
Thank you Vicar.

So by my understanding of the "guidelines" that its the players choice and not the TD's decision to make on both these counts, am I correct? The TD has had complaints about his behaviour but I'm willing to make it clear to him that it is unfair again and for him not to do it. Is there anything else that I can do to persuade him to stop, like informing you guys or any penalties if he keeps on doing it?

CPLvicar Posted - 10/09/2010 : 03:34:57
lvlickey, individual pub tournament rules vary depending on the venue. The general rule of thumb is that however the players decide to play goes.

So whilst obviously hand for hand play is the fairest way to play, if the players don't want to do it as they feel it slows the game down too much or something then by all means they can ignore hand for hand.

Again with the dealers, we generally advise that players deal for themselves, if only due to space restrictions! But if there is a dealer available that all the players trust then by all means they can have a dealer.

As for the TD looking at mucked hands, that's obviously not very fair if they play in the tournaments too, but if the players don't complain then there's nothing to stop him. If you don't want him looking at your mucked hands then say so. I'm not sure if the CPL tournament director's manual goes into this specifically, but generally it's good ettiquette that if a player doesn't show his hand when they are mucked, no-one should see them.

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